Journal: Which Modern Cars Will Become Truly Great Classics?

Which Modern Cars Will Become Truly Great Classics?

By Andrew Golseth
March 22, 2016

As a Hot Wheels-toting youngster, the term “classic” simply meant any old vehicle with appeal. It could be a pre-war Packard, a ’60s muscle car, a rusty truck, or an aging Italian exotic. If it was cool and old, I referred to it as a “classic”—and I loved them all. As I developed from an automobile infatuated kid into a car collecting, wrench turning, beer-drinking, automotive super nerd, my parameters on what defines a classic has changed drastically.

I feel it used to be easier to identify. In the early 2000s, it seemed more universal: there was a generalized idea that anything pre-1980 fit the bill. Take a seat, folks: it’s 2016, as in thirty-six years since 1980. There are now highly sought after collectible cars from the ’80s and ’90s that we should be considering classics—feel old yet?

Here’s where I stand: any vehicle with a smidgen of historical or mechanical significance…and even modest collectability should be considered a classic.

Another measure I like to use is whether the vehicle at hand is now old enough to essentially need a complete restoration. A cheap NA1 NSX—if you can find one—likely needs a complete suspension overhaul, all new rubber seals and gaskets, a tune up at a minimum, and likely some new upholstery and freshened paint.

If you’re on edge whether or not a vehicle is considered a “classic,” referring to the NHTSA’s grey market import exemption seems to be another reasonable standard. According to NHTSA.gov, U.S. Customs will permit any, “… motor vehicle that is at least 25 years old can be lawfully imported into the U.S. without regard to whether it complies with all applicable FMVSS (Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards).” The Federal Government grants FMVSS exemption for all  grey market vehicles at least 25 years old and the Environmental Protection Agency waives federal mandated emission requirements for all vehicles 21 years or older—just check NHTSA form HS-7, Box 1.

Now, some more modern vehicles have been knighted classic by the enthusiast kingdom. The BMW E30 M3, Toyota W10 MR2, and Toyota ‘AE86’ are a few recently-anointed classics that come to mind.

The original Honda NSX and CRX, Foxbody Ford Mustang, MK IV Toyota Supra, Mazda FD RX7 and NA Miata along with many, many others seem to be on a teetering acceptance as classics, and I don’t think that’s right.

Perhaps it’s because we’re all still unconsciously remembering ’80s and early ’90s cars as just “older cars,” not permitted into the classic circle—and I just can’t seem to understand why. I’m biased having grown up in the era, but some of my all-time favorite automobiles were produced in the 1990s, and I think it’s about time we collectively starting referring to select models as the classics they are—perhaps based on the criteria mentioned above.

Of course, this is just my opinion on the matter, but we want to hear what you readers think. Is there a particular year “cut-off” for what defines a classic car, or is it a rolling number like the federal classic car import exemption? Do we need another term to separate vehicles post–pick-a-year? Tell us what you think in the comments!

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Rick Glesner
Rick Glesner
4 years ago

In my mind the “Ur” Audi TT will make it.

rkadams
rkadams
5 years ago

I think 25 years old is a reasonable age point, not all old cars are classics. I don’t think the writer implied that. 25 years is enough time to prove importance in style or engineering. Many cars 50 years old are just old cars not classics I think.

Javier Berrocal
Javier Berrocal
5 years ago

My mind is set on BMW’s E21 323i. First 3 series, inline 6 and the classic BMW shark shape. Bought it for these reasons and while I don’t care whether or not it becomes sought after or collectible (I just love the damn car), I believe it has the basics to become a true classic.

Stuart Brown
Stuart Brown
5 years ago

I feel my 2000 Volvo C70 will be. Special car, beautiful with TWR and movie connections.
Not why I own it though, my cars are owned because of passion. If they become worth something the is just a bonus.

delage
delage
5 years ago

The Citroën C6 for many reasons. Hydropneumatic suspension, presidential history, superior design. Marks the end of a great Citroën history of long-distance travelling cars: Traction Avant, DS, CX, C6.

Adnaan Chaudhary
Adnaan Chaudhary
5 years ago

Lovely article. It’s our soemension in to what is a classic.

Len Carr
Len Carr
5 years ago

My Smart Roadster

Trackdust
Trackdust
6 years ago

Alfa Romeo 156.

David Barrett
David Barrett
6 years ago

The 25 year cut off seems to be increasingly accepted as a the cut off for classic status. That takes us back to ‘93, plenty of great cars up to that point that could and should be considered classics. If taste has turned so much so that a BL Allegro can now be given classic status, then there’s hope for everything.

Peter J Smith
Peter J Smith
6 years ago

Ford’s Fox Body Mustangs, and, Mercury Capris are, most definitely, NOT classics!

Manuel Lopez Franco
Manuel Lopez Franco
6 years ago

Volvo 480 ES. A very nice car. Like mine.

Ken
Ken
6 years ago

Alpina C2 2.5 Coupe. #17 of 74 produced. Restored. Rare and so much fun to drive. A raw driving experience that is so involving compared to my supercharged E46 M3 and modern Porka

Fernando Díaz González
Fernando Díaz González
6 years ago

It’s really such a beauty.

Jimmy
Jimmy
6 years ago

Lotus Elise M100 S2, the last series limited…like mine😜

Christopher Contreras
Christopher Contreras
6 years ago

2002-2006 MINI Cooper S r52/53

Christopher Contreras
Christopher Contreras
6 years ago

MINI Cooper s R53

Dan Graff
Dan Graff
6 years ago

Porsche 944 in any version. Still affordable, timeless design and fun to drive.

Mike Miessler
Mike Miessler
7 years ago

Mk1 and Mk2 Golf GTi’s. Those will definitely be classics.

trev
trev
7 years ago

I think 90’s and 2000’s jap sport cars will become more and more collectible over the next few years and prices already are spiking accross the board.
They i think were the perfect balance between driveability performance and driver input/fun.
Yes these days are ridiculously quick but they have lost the driver involvement bar for the porches and a few select cars.
Definitely a golden eras and as people of the generation that enjoyed them or played them on Grab turisom and etc they will drive the prices higher as they can afford it more
Here is what i think will be very collectible:
.Tommi Makinen Evo 6.5 especially red with stripes.
. Lancer Evo 5
.Honda S2000
.DC2 Type R
.S13 S14 S15
.All skyline gtrs
.Celica gt4
.Wrx gc8 sti and low model club specs
.NSX
.Rx7

Hugo
Hugo
7 years ago

Fun to read about this now. I’ve just sold my daily MGB and bought a TVR S2, build in 1990.
Nobody in my classic car enthusiast family does even consider the new car. For them, it is too modern…
I think 80’s and 90’s cars still have a bit of road to go before becoming real classics….

SteveLittlefield
SteveLittlefield
7 years ago

A sad final thought on this article….many of the future classics mentioned in the article and comments section will not last into the future the way so many of the cars from the ’50s & ’60s have done. They are simply too complex, which makes restoration difficult and expensive for the average owner.

For example, last year I bought an ’87 325is that was very solid and rust free, but tired. The original owner had never abused it, but had neglected it. I have 150 hours in the car and over $20K and I’m not done. Except for re-upholstery of the leather interior, I’ve done all of the labor myself. Who in his right mind would pay over $20K for an E30 3+ driver today? Yet that’s what it takes to rebuild a solid one. And that’s why you see so many cheap ones that need restoration. Few will last the next 10 years to become a classic for this reason.

SteveLittlefield
SteveLittlefield
7 years ago

Great Article! Looking at many of the comments, it seems that there are a lot of readers who have favorite cars from the ’80s, ’90s and early 2000s. While most cars from the 1980s & ’90s are more complex than earlier cars, they tend to be far more dependable.

One criteria that must be considered for future classics is ease of maintenance, repair and restoration. If it’s hard to repair or rebuild, it probably wouldn’t make a future classic, unless it’s Porsche or Ferrari. Most German stuff made after 1990 is hard to tear apart. My old 993 was a monster to work on. Hard to repair means expensive to restore.

I’m restoring a nice E30, which is still manageable. My NB Miata is an example of a late model car that is still somehow simple.

Christian Joseph
Christian Joseph
7 years ago

I’d have to give my vote to the gen 1 and gen 2 Vipers…especially the GTS model. They can be had for reasonable money right now but that won’t last long. Vipers of all generations will be taking off soon now that production has ceased. Get one while they are still affordable.

Brian
Brian
7 years ago

Mini GP1 & GP2, S2000, GT86, Altezza, E46 M3, Z4M, Z3M & EK9, EG6, DC5,

Brian
Brian
7 years ago

Mini GP1 & GP1, S2000, GT86, Altezza, E46 M3, Z4M, Z3M,

Sezgin
Sezgin
7 years ago

i think 996’s will be one of the classic too do you agree?

skidog49
skidog49
7 years ago

Agree with Pedro Serro on the Saab 9000.
Designed by Georgetto Guigiaro and also used by Alfa and Lancia these are not mainstream Saabs at all. The Saab 9000 set still-to-be unbroken records at Talladega (a multi-day test called “The Long Run) and are probably the sleepers of all Saabs made. The Aero models in the mid-90s were faster from 70 to 100 that a Ferrari Testarossa, with just mere 225 BHP. The stock engine has internals that can handle up to 400 BHP without modification and with regular maintenance can easily run 250K miles or more. Plus, they are solidly built, can stand up to a lot of use and keep one alive in an accident. Not a bad track car, either, with a few mods. Full disclosure, I’ve had three of them and my current ’96 is never going to be sold.

Taavi
Taavi
6 years ago
Reply to  skidog49

I would pick from the same platform Lancia Thema 8.32 not meny made and all the cismos. 🙂

Pedro Serro
Pedro Serro
7 years ago

The saab 9000 t 16 deserves his place on car history, due to his 1987 FIA land speed records.
Since that records (21) were broken by the saab thirty years ago in talladega, Alabama, no car has made 100 000 km at such high average speed (215 km/h) !
If this isn’t a good reason to consider it a classic…..

Sean DjManila Peria
Sean DjManila Peria
7 years ago

I would suggest an S2000, amazing driving dynamics mixed with a screamer of an engine.

Prices have not gone down either

Brad Powick
Brad Powick
7 years ago

Because I once owned one of these (and still would if someone hadn’t of crashed into it while it was in a car park!) and have a soft spot for them, I’d like to think that the Toyota Celica ST 185 will one day join the ranks of future classics.

Howard James
Howard James
7 years ago

Eunos Cosmo 20b? Only 3 rotor car ever commercially produced and the first to come standard with GPS

jkbar
jkbar
7 years ago

I’m looking for a nice stock Chrysler Crossfire SRT6. They are in reach of the average guy so if I can find one Ill be happy. These will be a major collectable.

Benjamin Habarow
Benjamin Habarow
7 years ago

How about the later model pre-GM Saabs? There’s a heap of good examples going very cheap at the moment. I recently picked up a one-owner 2000-model convertible with less than 100,000km on the clock for $1600 due to a replacement radiator and some suspension components being impossible to find. After $800 and three months waiting in a mechanic, it’s a hell of a beautiful thing

Todd Cox
Todd Cox
7 years ago

I agree. Lots of history and unique innovation in these cars coupled with attractive styling very unlike anything else on the road.

Craig Palmer
Craig Palmer
7 years ago

Depending on where you are, as some cars are not available in all markets, but something with rarity, quirkiness, or a limited run usually is a good bet, but it can take a while for any collectable status to manifest. I own a renault Avantime, a rather quirky 2 door coupe based on a van, the espace which has a following and many clubs dedicated to it throughout Europe. Like most oddities, it is not everyones taste, but with less the 8000 ever made and less on the road all the time, it is already starting to see increasing values for good examples over here

Lauchlan Thackwell-James
Lauchlan Thackwell-James
7 years ago

The Celica lift back RA25 from 1977 could well be one. Any 1980’s Alfa Sud Ti or Alfa GTV for that matter. Provided you can find one rust free. Bertone X1-9 could come in as a classic . Cosworth 190 Benz ! Any standard OEM RX 7 . The list will truly grow

flooglemop
flooglemop
8 years ago

“Rising in price” may have more to do with scarcity or low-production numbers than actual value as a “classic”. I mean, if NA Miatas were not produced in such high volume, they would be selling today for a lot more than they are. The reason they’re the so inexpensive and the best bang-for-the-buck fun out there is because there are so many of them, they’re really a dime a dozen. So their low price is really due to large production numbers and not to a lack of interest or desirability. As for what arbitrary years I subjectively assign the status of “classic”, I tend to view cars made before the 1970s as classic.

Todd Cox
Todd Cox
7 years ago
Reply to  flooglemop

I see prices starting to rise dramatically. Most have been trashed as disposable cars or neglected out of shame when they were ‘hairdresser’ cars. Now that the world is a little smarter and the Miata has proved itself collectors are noticing that clean examples are getting very hard to find, and when they are found they carry a steep premium. There is absolutely no doubt the NA miata is a classic. Still a prolific one but we are on the verge of a massive shift in numbers. The smart collector will buy now and preserve, unlike me who has been heavily modifying (tastefully).

Sebastiaan Vandendael
Sebastiaan Vandendael
8 years ago

Wiesmann MF3 – already styled like a retro car combined with the engines and reliability of BMW.
Those 6 cyl. engines made for the e36 M3 & E46 M3 are a peach to drive!

Too bad the States will have to wait until they start blowing their 25 candles.

Nathan Mulready
Nathan Mulready
8 years ago

I think you could add an unmolested 1991 and earlier Mitsubishi Galant VR4 to the list. The 4G63T single turbo 4WD, the low numbers produced for rally
homologation and the solid Japanese build make it worth a look. The RS model and AMG variant add a bit of difference aswell. http://bringatrailer.com/2014/06/25/spotless-non-usa-1988-mitsubishi-galant-vr-4-rs/

Per Eldh
Per Eldh
8 years ago

Generally, massproduced japanese cars don’t get to be future classics, as they are often merely products for a target market.

Scott Lewis
Scott Lewis
7 years ago
Reply to  Per Eldh

I would think any car that isn’t a one off or a homologation special is made for a “target market”. While your average Corolla is nothing special, it’s no more or less worthy of “classic” status than a Chevy Malibu or a VW Jetta. (For what it’s worth, I don’t think any car gets “classic” status unless there’s something significant about it. Just surviving a certain number of years might give you “antique” status but it doesn’t signify that anything’s special about the car.)

Xavier Capela
Xavier Capela
8 years ago

Golf GTI’s since the MK5 will also be future classics, imo. The ND mx5 will also be a classic, of couse these are newer models, for older models, e36 m3, they’re still relatively cheap, Honda S2000 no doubt, they’re already rising in price, Corrado VR6. This is just my opinion of couse, I might be wrong.

Daniel Murphy
Daniel Murphy
8 years ago

Things like early Honda type r’s, Wrx sti’s and Mitsi Evo’s in original condition will be highly sought after. So many of them were modified and tampered with. All Mazda Rotary vehicles of so far have become collectable also.

Charl Fourie
Charl Fourie
8 years ago

Without a doubt the Clio V6 phase2

Justas Grds
Justas Grds
8 years ago

Honda s2000 – 100\% future classic! Value of these cars starting to raise already!

Mike Lloyd
Mike Lloyd
8 years ago

Mk1 Toyota MR2, AW11 Supercharged

Marvin
Marvin
8 years ago

In my opinion the Alfa Romeo 916 GTV is a modern day classic. As an owner I can tell you that this distinctively styled car is the proof that a front wheel drive car can have extremely good handling.

Tristan Kelly
Tristan Kelly
8 years ago
Reply to  Marvin

Haha! I was just about to say exactly that! I don’t think they were imported into the US though, so will be off their radar for a few more years at least. I have a lovely phase 2 in Vela blue. Had it from pretty much new and have to date put 146,000 miles on it.

Patrick Govier
Patrick Govier
7 years ago
Reply to  Marvin

Couldn’t agree more. Values are rising in the UK especially if it is a V6 or Cup.

CJ_Madson
CJ_Madson
8 years ago

Don Williams, who has managed the Blackhawk collection (among others) for many years, has said that the 40-60 year old group of collectors drives what is most desirable and what will be considered classic over time. “Great cars will always be great” — but always watch the shifting interests of the younger generation(s). I have my own favorites but know that the car passion stays alive and well through the eyes and desires of the next wave of drivers. And one of my more popular photos is of a Gremlin. Go figure.

Rubens Bonfim
Rubens Bonfim
8 years ago

How about the first Audi TT?

Cyrille Abraham
Cyrille Abraham
8 years ago

Nice paper. You mentionned a lot of Japanese cars so I would add some UK cars.
Lotus (Elise/Exige of the late 90’s are the first AND the last of a kind. With a lot of aftermarket developpment and competitions… But the Esprit could be a good classic too)
And Aston Martin for sure !

Jake Petersen
Jake Petersen
8 years ago

I think the 2.5rs Impreza should be added to the list. The other suggestions are all solid in my opinion.

André Borges
André Borges
8 years ago

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